We can't travel faster than the Speed of Light?

[KEN]

I read an article by Stephen Hawking which said:

There's a cosmic speed limit, 186,000 miles per second, also known as the speed of light. Nothing can exceed that speed. It's one of the best established principles in science. Believe it or not, travelling at near the speed of light transports you to the future.

Your views?

[Sethioz]

It's all bullshit, that's what i say. They are just idiots trying to get attention by saying such "smart" lines.

1. do you people even know, that even light has weight ? and is effected by gravity
- therefore in space, even light is affected by gravity and it has friction
- for example, a big city can weight like 100kg more during day, because of the light that is pressing down on the ground.

2. it will not transport you into future, it's idiotic idea ...how can someone even come up with that?
- in fact, travelling at speed of light, would take you back in time if you look back where you came from.
- in matter of speaking, if you travel at speed of light, you would see things before others, but that is not future. just like if you drive a car and see something before others, that doesn't mean you see the future, you just see it before others, because of your location.


People always talk shit about things they don't understand, because they like to imagine things.

like absolute zero temperature, lot of scientists made such "smart" lines about it and said it can never be broken .. really? well it was broken beginning of 2013.
I say that you can move faster than light, if you find something that is lighter than light.


EDIT:
also a personal idea i have, is to make a motor that rotates on super high speed, like 50000rpm +
then attach a long blade or a rod to it, like a helicopter's blades, only very very long
in theory, if that blade is long enought, tip of it would be moving at speed of light or even faster.
in theory it is possible to go faster than light using this method, however i think friction will be the problem, even in vacuum and in space .. or would it be?
i mean if you are away from all planets and obviously in vacuum, there should be no gravity at all .. or is there really such place as zero gravity? i mean absolute zero where there is no gravity at all, not even tiny bit to interfere with this experiment.

for example even when orbiting a planet, you are not actually in zero gravity, you are still falling towards the earth, however you also move very fast, so instead of hitting the earth, you just go around it. so its not really zero gravity at all.

anyway i have been planning this for long, it isn't hard to do the math .. on how fast the motor needs to rotate and how long the blade should be, in order for the tip of the blade to reach speed of light.

i don't think its that hard, because for example whip can reach speed of sound. if you swing a whip, then that sound you hear, is tip of whip going supersonic.
if you can break speed of sound by a simple whip ... then im sure you can break speed of light using this method i described.

dental drills can do 800000rpm .. so umm, im sure that aint the world record. attach 1km long blade to it ... that MUST be hell of a fast ride at end of it.

[Sethioz]

Actually if my calculations are correct .. it is fairly easy to achieve speed of light using my method.

You would only need 1km long blade / rod and a motor rotating at 17.987.520rpm and tip of the blade would be travelling at speed of light
remember, this is only with 1km long blade .. what if you increase it?
a dental drill can do 800,000rpm already, it is 22 times slower than the needed rotation .. OR you can just increase the lenght of the blade.

so lets say you have 20km blade, which is very achieveable even on earth i would say, using some circular track / dome.
you would only need 800,000rpm to achieve speed of 960,000,000km/h which is almost as fast as speed of light.
now .. why haven't anyone tried that?

[KEN]

They say when we move really fast, example, in a train going around the Earth the time slows down for them. So if they are in that train for a week or so and when it comes to a stop, the time passed outside would be more than 1 week.So it's like travelling to the future.
But if we are travelling in a straight line away from the Earth at speed of light and look back we'll see the past as you said.

Your blade experiment sounds very interesting and promising.

The article I read is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... chine.html

[Sethioz]

It doesn't make sense really, how it would go into future, since time is still time.
your clock would not show different time and i doubt you could live longer that way.
but if there's something i did not think of and its true, then it also means that it is possible to stop time forever, so nothing ages?
science is hard to understand, there's so much for humans to learn.


That blade theory should work, i was thinking that this blade might rip itself part because of the centrifugal force, but if it is countermeasured using magnets, it would have no weight and end of blade, would be against the outer wall of the vacuum tunnel where it spins in, so it has nowhere to go. it should stay in one piece.
however it would have to be in dark i think, since at that speed, light would cause some friction.
just like traveling at speed of sound, there will be sonic boom that causes huge impact and drag on the object moving at speed of sound, i imagine that same would happen if object travels thru light at speed of light, it would cause a lot of drag and impact on the object.

UPDATE:
i read that article real fast ... looks like some retard's blabber to me.
he talks like there is some almighty god that just says STOP !!! no you do not go faster than light, therefore i slow down your time!
this is ridiculous !!
there is no fucking god or being that just slows down time to protect speed of light LOL wtf ...

he is just an idiot who talks shit to get attention ...
look at those "big shots" from past, who said world ends in 2012, they made a name for theirselves with this blabber, which was ...yet another bullshit.
they just talk shit, that's all.
time would not slow down when you travel at speed of light and speed of light is NOT the fastest you can go. i mean .. WHAT possible barrier there can be?
just because idiotic humans haven't found a way to do it, doesn't mean its not possible.

.. so what hawkings is saying, is that this blade theory, the blade would bend in middle and ..tip of it would be slower? it makes no sense at all what he says.
if that blade can endure the rotation speed, it can go faster than light without any problems.
its simple mechanical machine that simply FORCES tip of blade to go faster than light.
as i said, only way i see this is in vacuum and in dark and magnets to keep it weightless.
also there should be powerful magnet at end of the blade to push it away from the outer wall, so it wont rip itself apart
i imagine that force is incredibly strong, but they keep saying that electromagnets have virtually no limits, so whats the problem?

Once that tip of blade goes faster than light, there would not be any mystical barrier stopping it, there would not be some god stopping it.
Look at all those fools who said "absolute zero temperature" is as low as it goes, it is IMPOSSIBLE to go lower .. yet they found a way to break that. where are those "smart" asses now? with their idiotic "impossibility" ?

[Legu]

why haven't anyone tried that?

Probably because it wouldnt work? ^^

One thing for an example i wonder about is heat...what kind of blades would u use for this? Also doing it to a "20km" long blade probably needs kinda strong engine.

[Sethioz]

what heat?
no friction = no heat

if blades are counter acted using electromagnets, they could be "weightless" if done correct, so motor would not have much to carry at all.
regarding electromagnets, i saw one science show on discovery about monorail trains.
they said that they have virtually no limits, if they go on speed of sound, they would rip whole track off the ground, so this is why limits are around 600-700km/h
and that was years ago, maybe 10? monorails exist for like 20 or more years if im correct (cant bother to wiki since its not the subjects here).

my point being, electromagnets are very powerful and 800000rpm with 20km blades should not be a problem at all.
they could use rockets to make the initial boost and use liquid nitrogen to cool down the motor if necessary ..

[Sethioz]

I just thought of something, main reason why thsi is bullshit that you time travel if you move almost at speed of light.
that moron who wrote that book / article (some hawkins if i remember correct). he is complete retard.

lets start from orbiting earth.
when your on orbit, people think that you're in zero gravity, but you're not. you're actually falling toward earth, but you're also moving forward really fast, so you simply fall past earth (orbiting).
so you're moving really fast, not sure how fast tho, cant bother googling. i think it was like 17000mph or so.
not the point, point is that if that would be true, then whole universe would be time travelling, because from one point of view, things move way faster than others + universe itself expands faster than speed of light, so therefore you can never see end of universe without travelling faster than light.

so you see, if you use that "train" going around earth, then from moon's point of view that train moves on completely different speeds ...
meaning that if on earth train is close to speed of light, then looking from moon that train can easily be going way faster than speed of light. so this time travel theory is complete nonsense.

[KEN]

I read somewhere someone said something like "Universe itself is a time machine".
I thought they meant wormholes which are everywhere but dunno maybe they also meant this in regard to the speed of things?
What Hawking said there is related to > Time Dilation <

[Sethioz]

so what he says is that nothing can travel at speed of light from its own point of view?

its complicated indeed, but i disagree, you can easily travel at speed of light and time would not slow down to protect speed of light.
time might slow down tho, but you would still be traveling on speed of light.
i think that time is not far, when speed of light will be reached.
absolute zero temperature was broken already this year, im sure speed of light is close by.

what really interests me, is that WHAT actually happens if you make something move in speed of light.
my theory, you can never see it. i mean not even with camera, i think that just like sound, when you break sound speed
then object that travels faster than sound creates a sonic boom (when sound waves move so fast, that first one is too slow to get out of the way of next one, making object to force sound waves to break and push them aside).
i think that same happens with light, light is beam and wave (this is how i understand light) and i think that if you make something move at speed of light in area where you have any sort of light, then object would collide with light itself and create something like sonic boom, maybe a light boom?

[KEN]

Time flows at different speed that's nothing new but I would love to know what happens when in a moving bus or train someone runs forward, like from the last seat to first.
Does his running speed get added to the speed of the train and so his speed becomes total of his + train's ?

If the speed remains the same or slightly lower than the total of his + speed of train then it's highly possible that time slows down.

[Sethioz]

ofcourse it will be added to train.
best way to visualize it:
1. imagine a train moving slowly past you, like 10km/h or so
2. imagine someone running on train (lets say its open train so you see the runner) @ 10km/h
3. from your eyes, you see train going 10km/h and person running on train would go 20km/h from your point of view.

This is why i said his theory is crap, because what if you make that train go against the direction that earth turns?
then trainer would go a lot slow than it actually goes from outside point of view (from moon, space, orbit ..etc)
Earth rotates on about 1000mp/h, now imagine that, if that train would go 1000mp/h against the direction that earth rotates
then looking from space, that train would not move at all, it would stay in one place.
but if train would go in same direction, it would go 2000mp/h

This is why his theory is nonsense. Looking from sun, that train could easily be going like 10000mp/h
i don't know how fast earth moves around sun, i know it takes 1 year, but speed i mean. cant bother googling.

Train to earth, is like running person to train, if you know what i mean.
speed is only calculated from somebody's point of view.

[KEN]

Good explaination.
In my head that reduced chances for time travel and increased the odds of beating the Speed of Light.

[Sethioz]

Another idea i have for beating the speed of light (one being having motor that can do like 800,000rpm and having 20km radius blades on it) is to have multi-stage tunnel. like tunnel inside tunnel and inside those more tunnels.
each tunnel moves inside of another. so if they all move, then the most inner one reaches speed of light at some point.

or maybe it goes against laws of physics, that goes like "every action has opposite and equal reaction"
that in order to move something inside of moving tunnel, it would somehow effect the movement of outer tunnel, but in 0-gravity it should work just fine.

or having particle accelerator inside particle accelerator, well i know its pretty much impossible, but it's to explain the idea i have.
that particles that move almost at speed of light, carry another particle accelerator inside of them, so inside of that, particles would be moving faster than light.